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Kids Are Not for Everyone

Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT
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By Larry68
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Recently, I've seen and heard a lot about how great it is to have kids. I see women on TV shows say that their life wasn't complete until they have kids. I see posts by friends who gush about their kids and all their accomplishments. People tell me that I will miss having kids when I get old. The truth is, I might. There was a time when I wanted kids, but I was much younger then. Now, I just see them as a ball and chain, and I'll tell you why.

I am an only child. I think that made me a selfish person. When I was growing up, I never had to share with brothers or sisters and had free reign to do what I wanted when my parents were away without anyone around to tell on me. Well, selfishness is a hard trait to get rid of, and I think that is the number one reason I don't want kids now. I am 41 and my wife is 44. We both are only children and only have our mothers left, who are very old and wouldn't be able to keep up with handling a kid if we went away.

I'll grant you, there are many people in our neighborhood with kids. For a while there, it was like a breeding colony. Kids were popping up all over. I'm sure that if we had kids, they would have been happy to take care of them for a time. Now, I can't hang out with them because all they want to talk about is their kids, and frankly, I can't take it.

To some of you, that may sound pretty bad, but I love my life now. I love being able to watch what I want on TV with my wife, to take a nap without having to worry if the kid is asleep, to jump in the car at a moments notice without worrying if we have the kids things and to vacation with my wife where and when we want.

Thankfully, my wife feels the way I do. She doesn't have that "itch" that so many women say they feel about having kids. In fact, when we were dating, I knew she didn't want kids. I actually had her thinking about it for a time until I changed my mind. I think she was relieved. Maybe in a few years, if we feel any regret, we will adopt. There are plenty of kids out there that need good homes.

So what are your thoughts? Am I a bad, selfish person?

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Larry68

Really, it's not that I hate kids. I just hate having to listen to their parents talk about them all the time. I'm probably destined to die old and alone, unless I go before my wife (which I probably will, statistically). Of course, before I get to the point I can't take care of myself anymore, I hope we have "death panels".

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
Hugo C. Gonzalez 76

Hey I have a little girl and although I do talk to people about it as soon as I see that they are not interested I speak about something else. I think it is great that you and your wife are so set on not having kids, why have them if one of you or both don't want them, very honest of you to write this.

They must call you some mean names in your neighborhood, their loss.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:13 PM EDT
Adrian Thorn

Having a child is easy, swap some fluids and you're done. Being a good parent, however, is difficult. The fact of the matter is that it takes a specific mindset to raise a child and it is far better to declare "I don't want children" then just to have children for some frivilous reason like "I might regret it some day"; your decision to not have kids seems like a responsible and rational one to me. Just because you have sexual organs, that doesn't mean you should be pump out a baby everytime your neighbor gets one; babies aren't cars or ipods.

Furthermore, I could never personally justify having a child. To bring another child onto this earth when there are literally millions of parentless children out there living in extreme poverty....I find it to be morally reprehensible.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:55 PM EDT
Larry68

See, now that is polite. Changing the subject when you see interest fading is a good thing. Some people just keep on rambling on, never taking a hint.

Maybe they do call me some mean names, but then again I just keep quiet and don't go around grumbling about how much I hate kids. Like I said, maybe in the future, we will adopt. My wife was adopted and she turned out ok.

I just keep hearing women, and some men, saying how they weren't complete until they had kids. I feel really complete right now without them.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:02 PM EDT
frostyone

Larry, Having kids or not having kids is a huge decision. I'm glad that you and your wife talked it over and came to a decision together. My wife and I waited 8yrs before having our first because it is such a big responsibility we wanted to make sure that we were ready. I have 4 myself and I know parents like the ones you describe. They drive me nuts always talking about the kids and bragging about what they are doing. My kids aren't trophies to be lorded about their just kids. I don't think you're selfish for not having kids I would rather see someone not have kids if they don't want any or are just not ready to make the kinds of sacrifices needed in raising them. Good Article btw.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:49 AM EDT
Hugo C. Gonzalez 76

bunch off crap they were not complete, I always wanted a child, to be honest I cant answer why, but do not regret the decision, does she complete me? like a puppy dog completes me. I do enjoy her though, ok ok I get it I will stop.

About the mean names, that is because they understand your decision, I do! Having a kid is a big decision and if you know that you are not going to put int the time, then hell, for that I applaud you! To be honest with yourself and what you want from life is the best way to live it.

Adoption, great thing to do!

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:01 AM EDT
Larry68

Thanks for the positive comments frosty. It's good that you and your wife waited until you were sure you were ready. I saw an article a few weeks back that raising a kid today until they are 18 costs an average of close to $300,000. Waiting until you are sure that you not only want them, but can afford them, is a very responsible decision.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:31 AM EDT
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Lilith41

Not everyone is cut for parenthood and those who are parents don't always understand that there are some people that just are fine without being a parent.

As for those people that say that are complete once they have kids, more power to them but one day their kids will grow up and go on to live their own lives w/o them and then what'll they do?

I commend Larry68 on having the courage to write this....

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:28 AM EDT
Larry68

Lilith

Thanks. Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm looked down upon for not having or wanting kids. Like I'm not doing my part to keep the human race going or something. But then I realize that bringing a child into this world if I wasn't 100% sure I wanted one, just to say I had one, would be selfish in itself.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:34 AM EDT
Lilith41

You're welcome, Larry68. I believe having a child is a personal decision and it is one that can only be made the individuals involved. I'm glad that the people who do recognize that children are not for them are honest rather than try to fit into society's mode and raise a child they won't want or are unable to raise.

Too many people are parents for the wrong reasons and it's good to see those that are honest and accept their personal responsibility.....

Kudos to you! +claps+

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:21 PM EDT
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MoCowgirl-1193719

I absolutely support your decision.

I have step-grandchildren whose parents evidently didn't want them, since the kids have been left about every weekend for over 12 years with another grandparent so the parents could party. Of course, according to the parents these children are the greatest gift humanity has ever known!

I have two grown daughters, and one grandchild. They moved out as adults and lead their own lives. We visit every week or two on the phone, and see each other every few months. They have their lives and interests and I have mine. We have more of a friend relationship than anything else, and it works for us.

I don't ever regret having my children, and they did bring something in my life that I would surely miss if I had not chosen to be a parent. But, honestly, I am happy that they are grown and out of the house. It was a 24/7 responsibility for 20 years.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:59 AM EDT
Larry68

MoCowgirl

I know what you mean about parents who obviously look upon their kids as a burden, either because they had them too early or they were an accident. There are plenty of stories in the news of kids found wandering alone or worse because their parents were out partying. We live about 20 miles from where Casey Anthony lives (or lived, since she's in jail now), who is a perfect example of this.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:38 AM EDT
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katrix

I don't have kids. I was sort of willing to have them, if it worked out that way - but it didn't, and I'm quite happy. I borrow other peoples' kids and then get to give them back. And I have nephews. I do think it's irresponsible to have kids that you know you can't afford, or can't raise well, though. Yet I also know that I have no business judging who should or shouldn't have kids. So here is to all the parents. .. and to the nonparents. And especially to the kids, who can hopefully get through our muddling around with raising them.

I like to say the only perfect parent is someone like me, who has never had children.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:11 AM EDT
Larry68

So here is to all the parents. .. and to the nonparents.

Hear, Hear! I'll drink to that.

I like to say the only perfect parent is someone like me, who has never had children.

I'm with you on that one too. Like I said in another comment, I sometimes get the comment "how can you not want kids?" My response is usually that I don't want to give up what I have to raise them. Selfish, yes. Responsible, hell yes!

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:49 AM EDT
katrix

Well you know, the reason I am the perfect parent is .. never having had kids, I can feel quite confident about what I would have done differently than you. I would have been so much better, not made the mistakes you made.

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:51 PM EDT
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Xanthiana

Quite frankly, I never understood why other people insist on their friends and family having children. I did marry a man, who brought a daughter into our home, which is a decision I did not regret at all. However, if he hadn't been a father already chances are pretty good that we wouldn't have children at all, we never tried to have one together and as time passes we are slowly getting too old. Well by now my step-daughter is 16 and as much as I love her another teenage daughter is a no go.

What really annoyed me though was my mother-in-law's insistence on us having more children. I mean really, who is she to tell me that I have to pop out a child or two? That being said, I really hope that people will withstand the pressure from their peers and relatives to bring children into this world, because somebody else might think there is something wrong with not having them. Everybody should determine on their own whether they want children or not and as long as a couple can agree on one answer there is nothing wrong.

As far as you go Larry, I wouldn't call you selfish, I'd rather call you smart,. You are smart enough to know what you don't want before there is no way to turn back.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
Larry68

Xanthiana

Luckily, neither of our mothers is putting any kind of pressure on us at all. In fact, a couple years ago, my mother asked me if my wife and I were thinking about having kids, and when I said no, she said "well, that's probably good, you are too impatient anyway". She is right about that.

Thanks for the comment.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT
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Jekazu

You are not selfish or a bad person. My husband and I decided we didn't want to have children a few years ago. Then we got to thinking that we would like to be parents and have started the process to adopt a child currently in foster care. We made the decision that instead of bringing a child into this world we would give a child who needs a loving home one would be better for us.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
Larry68

Good for you Jekazu! That would be the route my wife and I would take at this point, given our ages. Probably go for an older child.

I've never looked into the adoption process, but heard it can be long. Hope your quest is going well. Thanks for the comment.

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
frostyone

as for the adoption process yup it can be long and painfull but there is an alternative, you can check out the local churches to see if any have adoption services thru them. It helps cut down on the length of time and some of the pain involved with the red tape other agencys employ.

  • 2 votes
#6.2 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
Jekazu

We're both 35. We're looking for a child between 3 and 9. We live in Missouri and had to attend 9 weekly sessions of STAR classes, which are the foster parent classes and then 2 Saturdays for the Spaulding sessions, which are for adoptive parents. Each state is different though in their licensing of foster and adoptive parents. We're waiting for our final home study to be done, which will be next week. :o) Technically once a child is placed with us we'll be fostering them for 6 months with the intention of adoption. After this 6 month "trial period" the adoption will be finalized. Because we are adopting a child in the foster care system there are no fees we have to pay. We're just interested in seeing the profiles of children who are legally free for adoption. We are not interested in being foster parents. We're military and move every 2-4 years, so foesyering really isn't ideal for us and besides, I'd get too attached to the kids and then worry about them when they were returned to their parent(s).

  • 1 vote
#6.3 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
frostyone

yeah i know the military lifestyle...currently in New Mexico.

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#6.4 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT
Jekazu

Don't know where "foesyering" came from! Of course I meant fostering.

Are you at Ft. Huarchua? If my husband gets accepted into the MOS he wants, he'd be going there for that school.

  • 1 vote
#6.5 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:51 PM EDT
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frostyone

LOL.. i figured it was a typo. nah we're at Cannon on the east side of the state

    Reply#7 - Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
    ivywriter

    Thank you so much for writing this article. I was beginning to think I was crazy or abnormal. I am 36, single, and yes, also an only child. I absolutely get where you are coming from with the selfishness. But I don't look at it as a negative trait. I think it's quite the opposite. If more people would really check in with their true character and take ownership of it; like selfishness, admit that you possess that character, whether is presumed to be a good or bad quality, and use it to define who you are and to assist you in figuring out what you should or should not be doing with your life.

    I know for a fact that at this age, as a single Black woman, I don't need children in my life, and I have been okay with that for quite some time now. It's other people who are not okay with it. I have no desire, no biological clock ticking, none of that; to be a mother. I have two God-children who I barely saw, even when I lived in the same town as them so I know that there is no way that I can take care of another life, another human being. If more people would recognize that for themselves, instead of trying to fit into a box that everyone else tells them they should fit into, this box of "motherhood" or "parenthood", a lot of people wouldn't be in some of the situations they find themselves in now.

    I'm not downing being a parent, who knows it may happen one day, but for now, I'm perfectly okay with it. It's also funny how, today, in dating circles, men, especially Black men, find it so surprising that I am single with no children. It's always an interesting topic of conversation because it seems in our current culture, it's become somewhat "normal" to be single with children, rather than married with children. My only goal is to get myself into a positive, companionship type of relationship, kids are purely secondary. Plus, I also meet many men who already have children, which is something I had to force myself to get used to a few years ago. I also read a book a few years ago, "Childless Revolution", which also validated my feelings about not feeling like I have to be a mother. I think too often, that women or couples, get "brainwashed" into thinking they need to fit into this image of 2.5 kids and often find themselves not living the life they dreamed of living because they were pressured into something by family and friends.

    Lastly, I think it's also important that women and men honestly factor in the idea that maybe they weren't meant to be parents. On a spiritual level, I believe I'm single and childless for a reason. And, if I ever meet someone and we seriously consider marriage, we will have a serious discussion about children, whether or not we are either too old to have them or even biologically equipped to have them. Many women find themselves infertile or a man unable to produce after a certain age. I am at peace with the fact that that might be the case with me one day. I really think that more couples need to be okay with that and find other ways to have a "family", instead of paying millions of dollars to get infertility treatments, in-vitro, etc. all in the name of being able to say, you know what, I had a baby and then at the age of 40, I will take care of an infant from scratch until I'm about 80. Nope, I will pass on that opportunity, especially if it doesn't present itself any time soon.

    Thanks again for writing this article and making it okay to admit that you don't want kids and making it okay, to want to just be with someone you love, working on creating a relationship.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
    Larry68

    Thanks for the comment ivywriter. I'm going to have to find that book "Childless Revolution" and give it a read.

    I think what you said is true. Many people it seems try and fit themselves into the box that society seems to have set forth of 2.5 kids and a white picket fence. Those that don't follow are looked at as outsiders. My wife, like yourself, doesn't hear that tick-tock of her biological clock. We decided a few years ago that if we ever decide we want children that there are plenty of unwanted children in the foster care system for us to help out.

    My wife was married for 11 years before she divorced, and is tickled pink that she didn't have children with her ex. He is gone and out of her life forever. I really think the thought of having to split time with kids would have made her sick. It is important that people seriously talk about such a life changing decision before they go ahead and do it.

    We are ok with the idea of never having kids. That is just the way we are. We enjoy each others company, and the fact we can go wherever we want, whenever we want. Some may call it selfish, I call it responsible.

    Thanks again for the comment.

    • 2 votes
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